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		<title>Comment on Oracle and Apple have public ties by Oracle Promotes hypePod/hypeTunes Just Weeks After Suing Android, Java&#8217;s Founder Has Message for Ellison &#124; Techrights</title>
		<link>http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=912&#038;cpage=1#comment-1002</link>
		<dc:creator>Oracle Promotes hypePod/hypeTunes Just Weeks After Suing Android, Java&#8217;s Founder Has Message for Ellison &#124; Techrights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 00:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] help hypePhone. Other people pointed this out later on and now there&#8217;s evidence showing that Oracle is actively promoting Apple products:  Create an Oracle online account today and we’ll give you a Free $10 iTunes Gift Card or Iron [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] help hypePhone. Other people pointed this out later on and now there&#8217;s evidence showing that Oracle is actively promoting Apple products:  Create an Oracle online account today and we’ll give you a Free $10 iTunes Gift Card or Iron [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Career Limitations in GTA by Adam King</title>
		<link>http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=866&#038;cpage=1#comment-987</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Propritary software is the antithesis of freedom. Every day M$ seeks to limit our freedoms in the name of expanding its profets. In learning their etchnology you are only helping their fashist plan for world domination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Propritary software is the antithesis of freedom. Every day M$ seeks to limit our freedoms in the name of expanding its profets. In learning their etchnology you are only helping their fashist plan for world domination.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Freedom Haters Back &#8216;on Board&#8217; by admin</title>
		<link>http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=831&#038;cpage=1#comment-885</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 12:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is your blog supposed to be a joke?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is your blog supposed to be a joke?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Freedom Haters Back &#8216;on Board&#8217; by Adam King</title>
		<link>http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=831&#038;cpage=1#comment-874</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 19:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your blog. You just keep pwning the wintards over and over again. You are truely the master of pwnage. 
You should join me at http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com where I constantly fight against M$ worship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your blog. You just keep pwning the wintards over and over again. You are truely the master of pwnage.<br />
You should join me at <a href="http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com</a> where I constantly fight against M$ worship.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Freedom Haters Back &#8216;on Board&#8217; by Laurel Raven</title>
		<link>http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=831&#038;cpage=1#comment-857</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurel Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 18:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I don&#039;t see anything wrong with close source software on the whole...everyone has a right to keep secret what they&#039;ve written, and to get paid for the hard work or labor hours they&#039;ve spent on something.

As for licensing, I have to say that which license to use depends on what you need it for.  The BSD style licenses are much more business friendly than GPL, but both have their place.  Don&#039;t hate the BSD license...they wrote it specifically so their system could be a springboard for other systems.  The fact that companies are not required to contribute code changes back to the parent project or the community does not seem to have stopped innovation or code commits to any of the projects you mentioned, either.

Just to make a point...say I develop a program that I need a database for.  I can chose to pay license fees that will drive up the cost of the product for a proprietary one, build my own (which will drive up the labor hours, and the cost, for no really good benefit), or I can chose a free one that is community tested.  These DBs were written for things like that...so the wheel doesn&#039;t have to be reinvented a million times over or be vastly overpriced.  Now, two of my choices are MySQL, which as a GPLed program will require me to release my own code, and PostgreSQL, which as a BSD license I only have to attribute the original creators.  Since I&#039;ve spent a lot of labor hours on this project and I really want to see return on my investment, and don&#039;t reasonably think I can recoup the costs using support based open source models, which option do you think has just become more inviting?

I think RMS is a great free software advocate in that he never abandons the cause...and a terrible one because he believes his way is the only way.  I in no way hate freedom or free software...I love it.  I do not, however, think it is immoral or unethical to make money on and keep as a trade secret the software I develop...and he thinks it is, and has said as much.

Open Source and Closed Source software both have their place, and the BSD type licenses allow them to co-exist.  I do not see this as a bad think at all, and the companies that take advantage of these are not inherently evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t see anything wrong with close source software on the whole&#8230;everyone has a right to keep secret what they&#8217;ve written, and to get paid for the hard work or labor hours they&#8217;ve spent on something.</p>
<p>As for licensing, I have to say that which license to use depends on what you need it for.  The BSD style licenses are much more business friendly than GPL, but both have their place.  Don&#8217;t hate the BSD license&#8230;they wrote it specifically so their system could be a springboard for other systems.  The fact that companies are not required to contribute code changes back to the parent project or the community does not seem to have stopped innovation or code commits to any of the projects you mentioned, either.</p>
<p>Just to make a point&#8230;say I develop a program that I need a database for.  I can chose to pay license fees that will drive up the cost of the product for a proprietary one, build my own (which will drive up the labor hours, and the cost, for no really good benefit), or I can chose a free one that is community tested.  These DBs were written for things like that&#8230;so the wheel doesn&#8217;t have to be reinvented a million times over or be vastly overpriced.  Now, two of my choices are MySQL, which as a GPLed program will require me to release my own code, and PostgreSQL, which as a BSD license I only have to attribute the original creators.  Since I&#8217;ve spent a lot of labor hours on this project and I really want to see return on my investment, and don&#8217;t reasonably think I can recoup the costs using support based open source models, which option do you think has just become more inviting?</p>
<p>I think RMS is a great free software advocate in that he never abandons the cause&#8230;and a terrible one because he believes his way is the only way.  I in no way hate freedom or free software&#8230;I love it.  I do not, however, think it is immoral or unethical to make money on and keep as a trade secret the software I develop&#8230;and he thinks it is, and has said as much.</p>
<p>Open Source and Closed Source software both have their place, and the BSD type licenses allow them to co-exist.  I do not see this as a bad think at all, and the companies that take advantage of these are not inherently evil.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Computers are too easy to use by mw98</title>
		<link>http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=815&#038;cpage=1#comment-849</link>
		<dc:creator>mw98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 02:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft didn&#039;t make computers easy to use, they made them unreliable to use.  The first very popular microprocessor based computing device was the 1977 Atari VCS [Video Computer System] later to be renamed the Atari 2600.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_2600 

It&#039;s funny, but I never remember it crashing or locking up.  Later during the Home Computer craze of the 80s I recall my system was stable and the software always seemed to work, Word Processor, Games, etc.  

Today, people suffer so much distress using their Microsoft based computer system that gaming really isn&#039;t very popular on the machines even though they certainly have the processing power to handle the task, they DEFINITELY lack the ability create stable games that truly are fun ..for very long, before the horrid system takes the fun away.

Folks flock to dedicated &quot;game&quot; computer devices because the systems Microsoft monopolized weren&#039;t stable enough to maintain the fun.  Sooner or later distressing crashes, renewal notices, trail-ware expiration notices, signing 20 page license agreements without any idea what was signed, much less even making an attempt to read it, viral alerts, security alert pop-ups, and so forth ..and the joy is soon greatly diminished.

Work is painfully popular on Microsoft based systems because work is just that, it&#039;s work, it&#039;s not supposed to a &quot;fun&quot; or &quot;joyful&quot; experience, or at least that&#039;s the notion and we end up tolerating it.  

Folks chore away within their Microsoft paradigm constantly battling the clutter and pop-ups demanding that they renew whatever expired, or re-subscribe to some additional that shouldn&#039;t need in the first place.  It interferes with their work but since its a chore, they tolerate it.

One thing people will not tolerate is Trying to Have Fun / Joy (playing a game on PC) because when they discover it turns out to not be so much or satisfaction battling the constant headaches on their machine, they decide not to re-attempt to have that fun any longer (playing a game on PC). Eventually, sooner or later, they don&#039;t seek to have &quot;fun&quot; on their PC anylonger... just like the California gold miners eventually gave up after the gold ran dry, PC gamers, like gold miners panning for gold and never getting much in return, decide to look elsewhere or do something different.  On a PC that would usually be &quot;I&#039;ll do more work instead&quot;  

The Personal Computer paradigm is definitely a chore ..or worse yet, for many its an outright battle they despise with intensity.  That&#039;s why after purchases PC games for a couple of years, year ago, I finally that by far, most of my money was wasted, having yielded very little fun.  Thanks Microsoft for all you&#039;ve contributed to the computer world!!

Without Microsoft we probably would have a world with productivity on computing devises, its just that we wouldn&#039;t have many of those annoyances:  

[[ &quot;You&#039;re 6-month evaluation of Office has Expired, Click [OK] to Purchase or [Cancel] to exit Word&quot; ]]      
[cancel]   

goto Linux &gt;&gt; Install &gt;&gt; Download &gt;&gt; Open Office &gt;&gt;
:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft didn&#8217;t make computers easy to use, they made them unreliable to use.  The first very popular microprocessor based computing device was the 1977 Atari VCS [Video Computer System] later to be renamed the Atari 2600.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_2600" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_2600</a> </p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny, but I never remember it crashing or locking up.  Later during the Home Computer craze of the 80s I recall my system was stable and the software always seemed to work, Word Processor, Games, etc.  </p>
<p>Today, people suffer so much distress using their Microsoft based computer system that gaming really isn&#8217;t very popular on the machines even though they certainly have the processing power to handle the task, they DEFINITELY lack the ability create stable games that truly are fun ..for very long, before the horrid system takes the fun away.</p>
<p>Folks flock to dedicated &#8220;game&#8221; computer devices because the systems Microsoft monopolized weren&#8217;t stable enough to maintain the fun.  Sooner or later distressing crashes, renewal notices, trail-ware expiration notices, signing 20 page license agreements without any idea what was signed, much less even making an attempt to read it, viral alerts, security alert pop-ups, and so forth ..and the joy is soon greatly diminished.</p>
<p>Work is painfully popular on Microsoft based systems because work is just that, it&#8217;s work, it&#8217;s not supposed to a &#8220;fun&#8221; or &#8220;joyful&#8221; experience, or at least that&#8217;s the notion and we end up tolerating it.  </p>
<p>Folks chore away within their Microsoft paradigm constantly battling the clutter and pop-ups demanding that they renew whatever expired, or re-subscribe to some additional that shouldn&#8217;t need in the first place.  It interferes with their work but since its a chore, they tolerate it.</p>
<p>One thing people will not tolerate is Trying to Have Fun / Joy (playing a game on PC) because when they discover it turns out to not be so much or satisfaction battling the constant headaches on their machine, they decide not to re-attempt to have that fun any longer (playing a game on PC). Eventually, sooner or later, they don&#8217;t seek to have &#8220;fun&#8221; on their PC anylonger&#8230; just like the California gold miners eventually gave up after the gold ran dry, PC gamers, like gold miners panning for gold and never getting much in return, decide to look elsewhere or do something different.  On a PC that would usually be &#8220;I&#8217;ll do more work instead&#8221;  </p>
<p>The Personal Computer paradigm is definitely a chore ..or worse yet, for many its an outright battle they despise with intensity.  That&#8217;s why after purchases PC games for a couple of years, year ago, I finally that by far, most of my money was wasted, having yielded very little fun.  Thanks Microsoft for all you&#8217;ve contributed to the computer world!!</p>
<p>Without Microsoft we probably would have a world with productivity on computing devises, its just that we wouldn&#8217;t have many of those annoyances:  </p>
<p>[[ "You're 6-month evaluation of Office has Expired, Click [OK] to Purchase or [Cancel] to exit Word&#8221; ]]<br />
[cancel]   </p>
<p>goto Linux &gt;&gt; Install &gt;&gt; Download &gt;&gt; Open Office &gt;&gt;<br />
 <img src='http://www.pwnage.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Freedom Haters Back &#8216;on Board&#8217; by mw98</title>
		<link>http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=831&#038;cpage=1#comment-848</link>
		<dc:creator>mw98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 01:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading this article some of us might want to reconsider the desktop environment they use [Gnome], or at it a second thought if nothing else.  Perhaps it&#039;s a bit too far behind the iron curtain of software industry for comfort.

What&#039;s considered the MOST open: Xfce, GNOME or KDE? I had always thought of GNOME first.

GNOME gets $20,000.  Will the money influence their decision making process?  With LiMO on the GNOME Foundation’s Advisory Board I will guess they are going to be undermining Freedom to Share and Responsibility to Contribute with Freedom to Exploit and You Give, We Take, and We Don&#039;t Share what we put together using your input.  I consider the $20,000 contribution like a political contribution.  They give the GNOME bird the money and then demand, &quot;Walk and quack like a duck&quot;.   

GNOME, We don&#039;t want a Duck, We want a Penguin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading this article some of us might want to reconsider the desktop environment they use [Gnome], or at it a second thought if nothing else.  Perhaps it&#8217;s a bit too far behind the iron curtain of software industry for comfort.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s considered the MOST open: Xfce, GNOME or KDE? I had always thought of GNOME first.</p>
<p>GNOME gets $20,000.  Will the money influence their decision making process?  With LiMO on the GNOME Foundation’s Advisory Board I will guess they are going to be undermining Freedom to Share and Responsibility to Contribute with Freedom to Exploit and You Give, We Take, and We Don&#8217;t Share what we put together using your input.  I consider the $20,000 contribution like a political contribution.  They give the GNOME bird the money and then demand, &#8220;Walk and quack like a duck&#8221;.   </p>
<p>GNOME, We don&#8217;t want a Duck, We want a Penguin</p>
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		<title>Comment on Freedom Haters Back &#8216;on Board&#8217; by admin</title>
		<link>http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=831&#038;cpage=1#comment-843</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 22:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@saif - I&#039;d just like to point out that freedom lovers do contribute, I love how critics attack pro-fsf people with such claims. The irony is, most of the GNU utilities running on their Linux system were written by freedom lovers. According to the Gnome Census, 70% of it&#039;s code commits were volunteer and very likely freedom lovers.

The freedom haters I&#039;m talking about regularly bash free software in general. Dehumanizing RMS because he wants to prevent them from taking volunteer code and making it proprietary. They want Freedom #5, the freedom to exploit volunteers for proprietary gains. They love MIT, BSD, Apache, X11 because those licenses allow them to lock code away and prevent the users from having the changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@saif &#8211; I&#8217;d just like to point out that freedom lovers do contribute, I love how critics attack pro-fsf people with such claims. The irony is, most of the GNU utilities running on their Linux system were written by freedom lovers. According to the Gnome Census, 70% of it&#8217;s code commits were volunteer and very likely freedom lovers.</p>
<p>The freedom haters I&#8217;m talking about regularly bash free software in general. Dehumanizing RMS because he wants to prevent them from taking volunteer code and making it proprietary. They want Freedom #5, the freedom to exploit volunteers for proprietary gains. They love MIT, BSD, Apache, X11 because those licenses allow them to lock code away and prevent the users from having the changes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Freedom Haters Back &#8216;on Board&#8217; by saif</title>
		<link>http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=831&#038;cpage=1#comment-824</link>
		<dc:creator>saif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 18:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With freedom, comes the freedom not to be....it is the choice that makes it free.  Sure some people want to monetise their IP.  That too is their choice. The freedom lovers can also choose to ignore their non-contribution,  Such is life when free competes with non free.  Most software, I am sure has components within it absorbed and adapted from the free software world. As long as they follow the license terms...that&#039;s the freedom they have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With freedom, comes the freedom not to be&#8230;.it is the choice that makes it free.  Sure some people want to monetise their IP.  That too is their choice. The freedom lovers can also choose to ignore their non-contribution,  Such is life when free competes with non free.  Most software, I am sure has components within it absorbed and adapted from the free software world. As long as they follow the license terms&#8230;that&#8217;s the freedom they have.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Freedom Haters Back ‘on Board’ &#124; Pwnage.ca -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 17:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Marius Adrian, Joe Hermando and Phantom_13, Phantom_13. Phantom_13 said: Freedom Haters Back ‘on Board’ http://bit.ly/aCuyNj LXer [...]</description>
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